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04 May, 2007

Cheeni Kum (Hindi - Ilayaraja)

Posted by: Karthik In: Hindi OST

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A soulful track in its Tamil version transforms very beautifully in Cheeni kum, title song, while Sooni sooni retains the original’s feel, quite appropriately. Baatein hawa reworks the original’s playful nature amazingly well, even in the Hindi version. That the backgrounds are considerably updated and spruced-up, works in their favor. Even Jaane do na’s Hindi reworking showcases the amazing interludes of the veteran composer in full glory, amidst an elegant tune. The theme melody and sax melody are simply enchanting, going with the film’s mood. If this doesn’t get Ilayaraja closer to North Indian Hindi film audiences, chances are, nothing else will!

Keywords: Ilayaraja, Cheeni Kum, Balki, Balakrishnan, Tabu, Paresh Rawal, Zohra Sehgal

Note 1: So why do the words ‘North Indian’ have a strike through? I guess there’s some sense in the first comment by Mumbaiya, even though I did not intend such a divide while writing this post. Thats the reason why I chose to change it to something specific.

Note 2: Here’s trivia on the South Indian originals, for the curious listeners. The title song and Sooni uses Ilayaraja’s tune ‘Mandram vandha’ from Maniratnam’s Tamil film, Mouna Raagam (1986). Baatein hawa is a reworking of the song, ‘Kuzhaloodhum kannanukku’ from the 1986 Tamil film, ‘Mella thirandhadhu kadhavu’ which had composing credits shared between Ilayaraja and MS Viswanathan. Jaane do na uses the tune of Ilayaraja’s Kannada song, ‘Jotheyali jothe jotheyali’ from the 1980 film, ‘Geetha’.

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31 Responses to "Cheeni Kum (Hindi - Ilayaraja)"

1 | mumbaiya

May 5th, 2007 at 7:32 am

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Y do u act like a typical Madrasi Guy…y r always on a divide among South, North. And what do u mean by North Indian audiences, as if India as only 2 parts north and south. Dont be so ignorant.

Instead of comparing the songs with its tamil version, u shud have reviewed (commented in my view) as a hindi album. Nobody is intrested in tamil version. Y cant u review it on its own merits and demerits instead of making any comparion between both version. U have again proved ..ur reviews suck big time.

2 | Karthik

May 5th, 2007 at 7:59 am

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Mumbaiya:
You’re right! Considering I’m familiar with the very very popular originals of these tracks, my views here are definitely biased - I’ve grown up with the originals and as I listen to these, I couldn’t help but retrace the sources. In that way, I agree, reviewing this soundtrack was a bad idea, since its far from objective.

Think of it like a Tamil version of say, ‘Aankhon se aankhon mein ishara ho gaya’, or a Telugu version of ‘Dum maro dum’. Would you be discerning enough to separate the association you’ve with the sources from the remade vernacular ones? If so, hats off to you. I’m sorry I couldn’t.

As for the North/ South thingy, thats partly because Ilayaraja as a composer is almost a demi-god across 4 Southern states - Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. But, much as I like him and respect his music, I find his brand of music not hitting the right notes in the Hindi film industry, but for occasional successes or remade successes (thanks largely to Anand Milind!). But someone like Rahman was able to tap that better and be a true cross-over - its possibly to do with the expanding TV networks and better reach of music back and forth, as a result, maturing listener tastes.

There’s nothing to divide North and South Indian audiences - the sensibilities, at least on the musical front, are just diametrically different, with only the recent set of composers getting middling success at cross-overs.

3 | esprabhu

May 5th, 2007 at 11:31 am

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I just heard the samples from official site of the movie.Sounds good. As the entire album been released?

4 | Karthik

May 5th, 2007 at 11:43 am

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Yes, it has been released.

5 | prakash

May 5th, 2007 at 11:54 am

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For people who listen to both Ilaiyaraja & Hindi music, Karthik’s end note is definitely very useful to know which r the songs re-used. Looks like Mumbaiya is trying new excuses to say Karthik’s reviews are not good.

6 | inirs

May 5th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

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For Jotheyalli, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKc5ia-N0Ak

The same was made in tamil as Vizhiyile Mani from Nooravadhu Naal.

7 | Sanjeevi

May 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pm

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mumbaiya cool man, we are Indians. Take a famous hindi composer and how do you review his international music album which has many numbers recycled from his very famous hindi songs? As like any other tamilian, karthik is growing with Ilaiyaraja music and hence he is reviewing like this, don’t make mistake.

@ Karthik, “Kuzhaloothum” song from Mella Thiranthathu kathau (1986) composed by Ilaiyaraja not with MSV whereas all other songs has MSV tunes ornamented Ilayaraja music. This is 100% true news and said by SPB in “Ennodu paatu paadungal” programme in Jeya TV.

8 | shyam161

May 6th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

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With Amitabh in the lead, and his baritone in a song, this album may reach out to the Hindi classes (def. not the masses, who like the tumris and balle/balles). For someone who has grown up on these songs, IR has given them a makeover and they sound mint-fresh (yes that’s the word). Sometimes such remakes make you squirm. Defn not this one. A touch of sax, some heavy guitar riffs. Nicely done IR!!. Jaane do, Baatein Hawa sure leave a strong impession and speak volumes abt Orchestration of the grand daddy of TFM music, or should I say south Indian music. Ok, Mumbaiya, may i ask what is wrong with Karthik’s comment. North Indians (wherever you are) fit the mould when it comes to music. Again my views!!!

9 | Raghu

May 7th, 2007 at 7:17 am

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The album is good.. no doubts abt it.. but I wish Ilaiyaraja had used the same interludes as in the original.. that wud have had even better impact…

as far as karthik-mumbaiyaa argument goes… karthik, i guess u shud have used to the term “hindi audience” instead of “north Indians”… even though Ilaiyaraja has given his best in this album, if this doesnt strike a chord with hindi audience, then Ilaiyaraja has to change his style the next time he composes in hindi… In case of Rahman, his composing style and instrumentation is different for hindi and tamil movies… but its the same in case of Ilaiyaraja…. All said and done, RAJA is GOD, but its not necessary that everyone would like his music….his music is universal, but teh audience’s taste is individual :)

10 | narasimman

May 7th, 2007 at 8:38 am

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One thing that strikes me about the songs are , how fresh they sound even after 2 decades.

I head that kartik raja does the arrangement work for Ilayaraja. Are the sax and powerchords his influence ??

As far as hindi audiences go i remember rahman mentioning in an interview that he simplifies his sound when composing for hindi movies.May be thats the secret of his music’s appeal to hindi audiences.

11 | mumbaiRamki

May 7th, 2007 at 9:11 am

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Excellent adaption ! i feel teh title songs will suit the hindi film music audiences well.
regarding the orchestartion -Splendid !
Did you notice teh quality of sound mixing and recording is amazing in all his indi films ?

12 | SRINIVAS

May 7th, 2007 at 9:14 am

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one has to understand - its just an opinion which people are sharing . We are diff individuals with different tastes . there are many people like Mumbaiyya who react as if heavens have fallen down .

In case you dont agree - say so - but without getting personal or passing remarks about the individual per se .

You have a right to comment on the review , the album , not on the person . This is not an appropriate forum to do so .

Should I say you are reacting like a typical bhaiyya or a ghatti .

13 | Karthik

May 7th, 2007 at 9:19 am

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Narasimman: Yes indeed, it sounds absolutely fresh and that speaks volumes about the Ilayaraja.

MumbaiRamki: Now that you mention, yes, the mixing seems far superior in his Hindi soundtracks - guess he needs a better facility down South!

But, even though I started it, I’d be wary of trying to ascertain/ predict if Hindi audiences will like it or not - slightly beyond the purview of sharing one’s opinion on the music.

On the other hand, people who have heard the originals are at a serious disadvantage in trying to share opinion about this soundtrack. From that standpoint, I surely look forward to Joginder Tuteja’s review in IndiaFM.

14 | prakash

May 7th, 2007 at 8:24 pm

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Where can I get this cd in Bangalore..it was not there at landmark!!

15 | narasimman

May 7th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

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This album is another reminder for those who are against reusing old songs in other languages etc. I had no clue there was a song called Jotheyali jothe jotheyali existed. What a brilliant song!! would have missed listening to it had it not been reused.

16 | Karthik

May 7th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

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narasimman:
Not heard its Tamil version - Vizhiyile mani vizhiyile from Nooraavadhu Naal?

17 | logearav

May 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pm

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hindi people does not know the importance of maestro ilaiyaraja’s music. better raja sir avoid doing hindi films and spend those valuable time in south indian languages. there is no need for raja sir to change his style to suit hindi audience who are more interested in sound rather music

18 | Raghu

May 9th, 2007 at 7:25 am

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@logearav
When Raja was at peak, the audience were different…. now the audience are different… the taste and sensibilities of audience keep changing… there are many hindi people who do like ilaiyaraja’s music… but the majority of the core might not like it.. it’s same as majority of south audience don’t appreciate RD Burman’s music while many of them do like his music….

19 | Karthik

May 9th, 2007 at 9:15 am

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Well said Raghu. Very obvious, but we perhaps needed someone to spell it out!

20 | keyven

May 9th, 2007 at 11:49 am

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Karthick, Jotheyalli was originally composed for “100vathu Naal” adapted to Kannada..A very soft song with bit of IR’s nice Sruthi betham touches…I dont understand why IR tried Remix of his yesteryear hits ??

FYI, I have been reading your articles and interview on CNBC… I am an Oil & Gas Engineer who was formerly in the Film Industry having worked as a Session Keyboardist for 40 movies…

21 | Karthik

May 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

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Keyven: If I’m not mistaken, Geetha (Kannada) released in 1980 and Nooravadhu Naal came in 1984. That means the Kannada version predates the Tamil version.

On the other point of why he recycles (not between Kannada and Tamil, but between Kannada/ Tamil to Hindi), it was Cheeni Kum’s director who must be behind this - considering he has already ‘used’ as many as 5-6 Raja oldies in his ads as jingles, all to very good effect.

On you being a session keyboardist - WOW! Which movies/ composers have you worked with? How was the experience? Do write to me - 6times9@gmail.com

22 | zouresh

May 9th, 2007 at 8:19 pm

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actually i listen to both ilayaraja & hindi songs.not all ilayaraja’s songs if reused will suit hindi music listeners.but
i feel cheeni kum’s music will definetly
appeal to hindi music listeners because ilayaraja has chosen such kind of songs from his previous works which suits to hindi music.i feel cheeni kum’s music is
extra-ordinary and will be received well by the hindi music listeners.

23 | zouresh

May 9th, 2007 at 8:39 pm

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cheeni kum’s music is extra-ordinary

24 | nethaji

May 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pm

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Hi,Karthick

i Think u dont how to listen thre music its not the matter who did. but how the music. one thing u rember boolywood never got music director like ar rahman who is from tamil ok . dont have oversense. please say ur comments to how to clean ur shit on ur toes to ur mouth.

25 | shaanse

May 15th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

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Wondered whether the director Balakrishnan ‘Balki’ informed Illayaraja about Raja’s songs he used in the Liril, Kissan Jam & LG AC ads jingles ?!

26 | keyven

May 16th, 2007 at 7:29 am

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Hey Nethaji,

Using such a great leader’s name..you post such nasty comments ? No one invited you here to blog. Mind your business..

Review for Cheenikum is out in IndiaFM by Joginder. 3/5 so it’s a successful album ??

27 | Karthik

May 16th, 2007 at 7:48 am

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Nethaji:
Thanks for that enlightening feedback. I’m truly humbled by the unique suggestion and promise to look for a better roll of tissues to clean the unmentionables.

28 | vijay

May 17th, 2007 at 6:53 am

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Karthik,
From this following link, it seems Nooravathu Naal came before Geeta. Geeta released in late 1980s rather than 1980 itself.

http://www.udbhava.com/udbhava/albumofweek.jsp

“In the late eighties when the luminaries of Kannada music were not as prolific as before, Geeta was a breath of fresh air. The lyrics were simple yet extraordinary. And the music was simply unmatched in its variety. “Santhoshake” has the rather upstart singer show off his talent while the slow “Kelade nimageega” is an attempt to bring versatility into his repertoire. The duets are mellifluous with Chi Udayashankar’s lyrics adding depth to the romance. “Jotheyali, jothejotheyali” is the most popular song even today in Request Shows on any radio channel! That speaks for its popularity more than anything else.”

Thanks

29 | Karthik

May 17th, 2007 at 8:52 pm

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I checked online and found,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankar_Nag
and
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245129/

Both say the year is 1980. Perhaps some knowledgeable Kannada cine buff can help here!

30 | keyven

May 18th, 2007 at 8:51 am

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Nooravathu Naal came in 1984. Hence Geetha is much before that… as per IMDB…and IR’s dicography site…

31 | amith08

May 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pm

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superb songs…

though they r old ones, the way they have been “changed to” by the maestro… is jus awesome…!!!

hats off to him….!!!

no one can beat him at all….

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